Uf Should I Take Calc 1 Again
05/28/2011 10:45 AM
TONYlookaround
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If anyone has taken the aforementioned course at both schools -- can y'all please do a comparing? doesn't take to be calc1 -- whatever course you lot or a friend has taken -- for comparison...
Is UF "harder" than UCF to get an "A" in undergrad courses.
You input is greatly appreciated... I and my sons would really like to hear existent-world stories. I know a lot has to do with professor choice, however, we'd like to hear some comparisons...
What about aforementioned course at BCC vs. UF (or UCF)? I've wondered about that because now yous can take 2 years at UCF/UNF and transfer to UF or UCF. Thanks !!!
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05/28/2011 11:56 AM
wetspot
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The state university courses, especially undergrad, should be directly transferable. Calc 1 was MAC3311 when I took it equally UCF, aforementioned form # at UF and then (1981).
At BCC dorsum then, it had a different course #, I think because of information technology being a junior college, they weren't supposed to offer courses numbered 3000 or above.
But my roommate at UCF had gotten his pre-Applied science AA at BCC, which included their Calc 1/2/3 + DiffEqns sequence, and admitted with no issues or retakes. (1982)
From doing UCF (including a math minor), I can say they had some outstanding professors and a few that many people would prefer to avert.
I think y'all tin can find reasonably current info on sites like ratemyprof.com (or something like that), but if Larry Andrews has not already retired, I would take him for whatever math grade he offered. Fantabulous instructor (wrote a few math books himself) and reasonable tests. Dave Rollins and Bob Brigham were top notch every bit well.
A vs. B for whatsoever prof at any schoolhouse is probably a matter of that little extra attention to detail, along with "the souvenir". I made a lot of loftier B's that would take been B+ if UCF offered pluses back and so... 
When I had Andrews for Calc 1 & 2 at UCF, they were using the same volume at UF. My classes had xxx students each, my friend at UF had 600 in his. -------------------------
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05/28/2011 04:36 PM
pompano
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Most of the guys I met in uf technology that came from community higher said they were sick prepared. Ii from DBCC, 1 from BCC, and a couple from SJCC. I knew three that dropped out, and two that fabricated it through, merely with gpa'south that made it a struggle to become jobs. One went far at Publix. I suppose it boils down to how well you larn the subject field and how skilful your teacher is. Calc 1 at uf was a huge auditorium full of students. calc 2 & 3 were small classes.
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05/29/2011 06:33 AM
ponch
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I recently went to BCC for all the engineer pre-reqs:
calc 1, ii, 3, chem 1, 2, and phys 1, and 2.
I moved on to UCF to finish diff eq... big deviation!
I fabricated As and Bs at BCC, merely couldn't laissez passer at UCF.
I believe it's a lot easier at BCC for those cadre classes only yous're doing yourself a diservice because after you get through the math yous withal accept actually tough engineering courses ahead.
The principal matter about passing any university class is doing the same or meliorate than your class mates.
BCC pre reqs exercise transfer and are cheaper though. With an AA yous're automatically accepted to UCF (Direct Connect), plus I have many friends that went the aforementioned route every bit me and they hung in there.
If you're accepted at a university with out going to community college, you skip about a year of useless course piece of work you would take taken to get your AA.
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05/29/2011 09:44 AM
ww
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I recollect that a decade or and then ago, some study indicated that ability to get a decent grade in large-lecture-class calculus had almost nothing to do with ability to become a good scientist. Information technology was mostly just a exam of perseverance.
Perhaps not a bad idea to accept intro calculus at a community college or perchance Khan Academy then do the university (UCF or UF) version.
Update. Here's the beginning of a hoary old 1988 news story in Science magazine. I think a lot of the problems still exist. Science, 25 March 1988
Calculus: Crunch Looms in
Mathematics' Future
Researchers and educators are debating how calculus should best be taught to increasingly recalcitrant students
MATHEMATICS, a subject area not
normally known for its heated
debates, is warming up to the
subject of calculus reform. The education of
calculus-when to practice it, and even why to do
information technology-has become a major issue in mathematics.
The National Science Foundation has
earmarked more $i meg for an
initiative in calculus reform. And at colleges
across the state, experimental instruction
programs are springing up.
Calculus reform is considered urgent because
of the course's commanding position
in the early undergraduate feel of
students hoping to go on in science, technology,
business concern, and other fields. Robert
White, president of the National Academy
Of Engineering, calls calculus "a disquisitional waystation
for the technical manpower that this
country needs." Nevertheless at some institutions as
many as l% of the students enrolling calculus
either neglect or withdraw from the course.
Many students today enter college with a
weak background in the prerequisites to
calculus: algebra, geometry, and trigonometry.
Worse, in the opinion of college professors,
many of these students have already
had a watered-down taste of calculus in loftier
schoolhouse. The event is that many of these
students retake calculus in higher and do
poorly; they think they know more than
they really practice, and the course does not
"grab" them because they have already seen
the highlights. The shortage of teachers
capable of pedagogy calculus in high schoolhouse
adds another dimension to the trouble.
In response, the Mathematics Association
of America and the National Council of
Teachers of Mathematics take sent a joint
letter to loftier schools nationwide recommending
that calculus be taught just to
students who have a full 4 years of preparation
in mathematics, and that it be taught
with the expectation that students volition not
repeat the course in college.
While there is widespread understanding as to
the issues that beset calculus instruction
at the college level-unwieldy textbooks
that take stuck to an outmoded emphasis on
rote and repetition, unmanageable class sizes
in many institutions, and unmotivated kinesthesia
who see teaching as a distraction from
research-there is a correspondingly widespread
disagreement as to the solutions.
Many fence that computers and the new
generation of sophisticated manus-held calculators
volition force a change in calculus instructions,
whether change is wanted or not. The
Hewlett-Packard HP 28S, a programmable
calculator that incorporates symbolic manipulations,
equation-solving algorithms,
and graphing capabilities-in short, much
of what students are currently taught to
practise-represents a threat to- some and an
opportunity to others.
'This identifies a new moving ridge," says John
Kenelly of Clemson University, who has
worked with several of the pocket calculators.
Kenelly and five colleagues are using
the HP 28S this year in calculus and other
courses at Clemson. Engineers do not work
with paper and pencil anymore, Kenelly
points out, calculation "We take a colleague or
two who think we're going to bring up a
agglomeration of button-pushing dead-heads, merely
the bulk of the community is behind it."
A number of colleges-amidst them
Colby College, Denison University, Harvey
Mudd College, Oberlin College, Rollins
College, St. Olaf College, and the Academy
of Waterloo-are experimenting with calculus
courses that use mainframe or minicomputer-
based Computer Algebra Systems
such as MACSYMA, Maple, or SMP. These
systems are more than powerful than their handheld
cousins, and likewise more than user-friendly.
Their main drawback is one of access, which
may limit their use to smaller colleges where
only a few hundred students would need to
be accommodated. Proponents believe these
systems will allow teachers to focus more on
the concepts of calculus rather than on
computational techniques and can foster in
students a more exploratory and experimental
attitude toward mathematics.
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05/29/2011 12:02 PM
TheLetterTBird
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For sure fields in applied science and science y'all ARE going to use calculus. May besides become practiced at it. -------------------------
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05/29/2011 12:28 PM
wetspot
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For certain fields in engineering science and science y'all ARE going to use calculus. May as well get adept at it.
Amen to that!
... the Mathematics Association
of America and the National Quango of
Teachers of Mathematics have sent a joint
alphabetic character to loftier schools nationwide recommending
that calculus be taught only to
students who have a full 4 years of preparation
in mathematics, and that it be taught
with the expectation that students will non
repeat the grade in college.
But not to that. A year of high-school calculus probably covers the aforementioned fabric as ii quarters or well-nigh 1.5 semesters of college-level calculus (Calc 1 and function of Calc 2).
High school exposure to Calc paved the fashion for me to survive and thrive with it in college. It also helps, since you'll be taking at least 3 semesters or 4 quarters of Calc, followed by Differential Equations (for engineering and many math/sci majors), to become used to that university's curriculum from the basis up instead of jumping in in the center of a very challenging form sequence.
Repetition can facilitate mastery, and calculus is something most engineers should accept mastery of.
Echoing what pompano said, the roommate I had from BCC had no "issues" with his Calc classes transferring or being adequate, but his math and physics training there did not serve him too as mine from UCF did. Some of the departure, I retrieve, was continuity in UCF's programs for me. But besides a higher level of faculty at UCF. Remember, this was 30 years agone, but I had tenured profs and established researchers, non only grad students or retired/adjunct engineers educational activity my freshman and sophomore classes.
Calc ane was considered a "weedout" class at some schools. My friend at Georgia Tech had a Calc professor who introduced himself to the class with, "I'grand Asshole Ames -- at the end of the quarter you'll know why!"
I don't recollect that arroyo really serves much do good after the first few weeks (past the driblet deadline). Honestly, in that location are some people who need to exist weeded out, and it's ameliorate to get that over with early rather than later. The all-time profs are the ones who inspire students and go them to work harder on their ain outside the class.
Positive feedback tin can get a long way. A lot of profs could utilise weeding out too; when their ego gets in the way of providing a quality education to paying students, nobody wins. -------------------------
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05/29/2011 01:26 PM
TheLetterTBird
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The laws of nature are governed by differential equations, which are just avant-garde calculus. -------------------------
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05/29/2011 02:26 PM
pompano
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if your intent is not then much engineering science, merely another curriculum that may crave calculus, then you may be fine.
Something to think about...
You have just graduated high school. Y'all may have been top ten in your class. There are 5 or and so different schools in the county that each have acme tens. There are 67 Florida counties that have their pinnacle tens. There are 50 states. There is the entire world.
I met people from all over the world at UF. At that place are Asian written report groups that will have ALL the exams, all the notes, all the bulldoze to do better than yous and they written report together. They are serious. You desire to have fun, drink some beers, party a bit, meet some chicks...etc.
I volition merely say take school seriously. I woke up halfway through and struggled on my own. There are non many surfer-dude engineers around here. A few, but we are definitely the minority.
That said, I honey what I exercise now. There is some seriously interesting engineering being done in this canton. Work hard, play difficult.
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05/29/2011 03:31 PM
TheLetterTBird
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There are some wave geeks around here. -------------------------
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05/29/2011 06:31 PM
wetspot
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Check with Calculus Entropy, Trigonometry Jones, and Geometry Fletch for more insight. -------------------------
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05/31/2011 08:28 AM
3rdworldlover
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I took Calc 1 over the summer of 99 at UF.
It was a short semester, sort of a crash grade, only was but about xxx students.
The instructor was a very immature PHD candidate, anarchy math.
He was adept, peculiarly compared to the physics professors that barely spoke engrish.
A lot of engineering students confessed failing several times.
I barely passed, test anxiety got the better of me a few times - calculators prohibited,time limited tests, $five pitchers of Guinness at the Salty Dog, and hurricane season at Flagler Pier didn't assist matters.
What'due south UCF?
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05/31/2011 08:43 AM
ghostofbillsurf2
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This crap sounds too hard...get into Biz schoolhouse (no classes on Friday) then you tin can boss these guys around
3rd-what is UCF? That school that seems to continue beating UF whenever they play in sports (basketball and last two baseball games) -------------------------
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05/31/2011 08:53 AM
3rdworldlover
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That is probably good communication ^^^
My boss is both a P.E. and MBA, just the dominate' boss is 100% business/fratboy.
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05/31/2011 08:57 AM
ghostofbillsurf2
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four years getting drunk at school then you get to boss people effectually
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05/31/2011 09:20 AM
ChillPhil
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I have taken calculus classes at both BCC (calc1) and UCF(calc2,iii,DE) as anyone would remember BCC is much easier. Once you get into the UCF vs. UF I uncertainty one can be much unlike than the other. Having a skillful/bad prof can make all the difference in my stance. Whats the big deal well-nigh Every bit final I heard Cs get degrees.
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05/31/2011 09:32 AM
TheLetterTBird
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Yeah, you become an engineer if you like the cloth and have some facility with information technology. Not for the fame, glory, or chicks (if I actually demand to say that). -------------------------
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06/03/2011 06:04 AM
o2flow
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I would not recommend going to BCC then one of the big two if you are entering anything Applied science or CS related. I did the latter. Took me an extra yr while working fulltime.
I partied mode too much and had to buckle downwards to end. You're better off knowing inside the starting time year or so if this is the case. Information technology'due south much harder to redo 3000 and 4000 level classes than COM1.
Besides when you transfer, you lot're essentially taking every easy class the showtime ii years and cramming everything upper level into the last 2 years. Most schools have a plan which mixes the ii levels somewhat and so you lot don't accept four upper level classes your first semester.
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06/05/2011 08:33 AM
TONYlookaround
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do stats tell the big picture ? -- freshman classes both UF and UFC boast >94% florida residents. Overall, the universities take x% international -- then 30% of grad students are international? Does that brand sense to those who are in grad classes at either ?
A professor I know from FIT told me in that location is a double bell bend at FIT -- one group A/B and the other D/F, very few C. FIT too has a much higher % of international students -- like 3-4x as many international undergrads than the country schools. I'd non idea of this before talking to him -- possibly international students migrate to math because it is less of a language hurdle to bound-- having a common language in numbers and symbols. -------------------------
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06/05/2011 09:56 AM
wetspot
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Non sure well-nigh other majors, only huge #'s of international students in technology grad schools (a majority at the PhD level, if I'm not mistaken).
Some of it is due to a lack of grad school opportunities in developing countries (China, Middle East, India, Latin America), and support of their home country to gain immediately employable skills in a subject field that volition support their country's developing infrastructure.
American students tend to get fed up with studying then long, and desire to go a life and plough that degree into cash, so far fewer pursue grad school.
In my undergrad time at UCF, I didn't know too many Math or Physics majors, but those I did know were all United states of america natives.
The math classes I took beyond general applied science requirements were mainly for people majoring or minoring in math -- by and large gringos.
Tony, in order for us to offer any more than useful insights, information technology would help to know more about your son's planned major and career ambitions. -------------------------
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